I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. . 2 years ago. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. Forums. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. It would also destroy the. They have been - however, the influence of the Phoenix now extends to the realm of the Beyonders, which is the same realm where the Beyonder from the 80s is from. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. K. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. -5. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @Pr_Beyonder: immortal means unable to die of age or sickness Thor isn't coughing on him or waiting around for him to age to death he's smashng his head into chuncks of mushy brain 13 years ago. His. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Well, uh. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. 4 years ago. Random encounter. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Forum Posts. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. R5: Dr. PR Beyonder. 3 years ago. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. 11,059. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. . Mad Jim Jaspers Vs. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. 0. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Follow 15044. Wiki Points. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Mxyzptlk. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. Follow 3074. Lol good joke about Lucifer beating CAS. New Comics. 3rd. His power was millions of times greater than all of Marvel combined. 2. 0. Fulcrum. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. 6 years ago. M. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. 2. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Roshi in a heartbeat. Also you asked who in Marvel is more powerful than PR Beyonder, so there's no. They are not the same character. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. Team 1 wins. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. PR Beyonder (even when PR) was below full omnipotency, he got tricked by Doom and that pretty much gives it away for his omnipotent powers that should have included omniscience. PR Beyonder is comparable to at least 3 magicians combined, he stomps unbelievably hardPR Beyonder changed the entirety of the universe at his whim. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. #1. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. . @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. . Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. The original purpose of PR Beyonder was an equal of TOAA from his own Actuality. vs. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. Following Secret. The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. This is a massive mismatch. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. However Lucifer ig is the same. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. 63 results. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. The Demon of Elru. ago. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. I need to know please New Comics. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. His isn't from another universe. doomsday49. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. There are 5 magics, and one of the 5 magicians killed the original vampire moon god. 11 years ago. Post-Retcon Beyonder vs a Full-Powered Franklin Richards. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. Who is a better god like figure? PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. Forum Posts. Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. I don't know a. Funny, didn. @kingant27 said:. There are like at least dozens DC. Follow 2797. There no need to insult. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Warlockmage. Ehh closest would be PR Beyonder I guess The closest would be geb i think him and the presence when combined are absolute infinite everything. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. Beyonder is the bigger god. Not remotely. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. Bait? 1 year ago. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. 8 years ago. 13 years ago. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. Home Lists Doctor Manhattan Vs. New Comics. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". 0. Follow 3935. 5. He is another universe, pre-big bang. Having incubated. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Wiki Points. Van_Cere. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. @laflux said: MOM. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. LT-beating omnipotent. Reviews. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. PR Beyonder over AM. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. Could not. 10 months ago. Apr 2014. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. "GL Kilowog >Odin Thor? "Perhaps not in sheer power, but in implementation. . There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. This topic is locked from further discussion. The one below all (TOBA). Wiki Points. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Follow 16064. #1. First Firmament (Maybe biased)ALTERNATE VERSION: THE AFTERMATH OF SUPERMAN PRIME vs MONARCH: After defeating Monarch & the demise of Universe 51, Superman Prime senses that hisPR Beyonder should have no problem soloing, even if everyone else was in the other team. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Follow 75. Another thing about the. Michael Demiurge. Because PR Beyonder was a multiverse personified, so does that mean that each of these new Beyonders are also their own Multiverse? No. Followers. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Jul 30, 2018. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. You can't claim the same about Asura's. PR Beyonder would blink Superman 1 million (whether gold or Kal kent) into non-existence. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. lazerbeak. 6 years ago. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. 13 years ago. Gokuisthebest. And the LT he beat was undefined. master. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. Merely has ultimate molecular control. User Lists: 3 #20 g2_ Beyonder curb stomps. Round 1: CAS vs. Forum Posts. 313. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. 05-03. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. R4: Mr. Posts. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. Followers. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. I’m goin wit Batman. PR Molecule Man. Hard to call in terms of power. RULES:Morals off. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. Based on physics, molecules, space and time. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. Holo-Man • 3 yr. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. The Crimson King. Follow 8649. dope matchup. Manhattan's league. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). Gen. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. TR was created by this. A universe that is more powerful than the multiverse. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). 13 years ago. 10 years ago. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. Build Your Own Omnitrix. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. Beyonder solos. Phoenix is on par with those guys. "@Decoy Elite: sorry for bumping this thread but I needed to reply to. ago. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. #12 Edited By Montaq. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. TOAA is above all. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Bo88gdan. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. 0. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Adm1ralSnackbar. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. KingOfAsh. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Forum Posts. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. Share. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. This is Beyonders not the famous PR Beyonder. ultimatewarrior123. Victory by permanent death or erasure. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. . Forum Posts. Followers. 1. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. #1 quandaledingle. Followers. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Matezoide2. No. [deleted]Join Date. @claymore1998: Not once was PR Beyonder stated to be second only to TOAA. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. Neither is the fact that PR Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the entirety of the multiverse. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. LT did not get involved in the Beyonder/Owen fight, because he knew he was outmatched, and Owen was the multiverse's only hope. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. The Presence. PR Beyonder was implied to be another TOAA from a different multi/macroverse. I am guessing since you said The Beyonder rather than A Beyonder you mean PR Beyonder, in which case he stomps. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. User. His will is law. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. No, they can't adapt to. Wiki Points. Side note: I'm using this version of. BEYONDERGOD. ShootingNova. 4 years ago. Well, uh. Wiki Points. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. And PR Beyonder is possibly the most ridiculously powerful. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. He couldn't erase Death. Forums. Follow 6024. The art work and what not is horrible. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. He was a way wanked character. m limits were never exposed. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Kryptonian (Superman) 2. (The bKorvac wields Power Cosmic. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse.